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Post by chipper on Sept 3, 2009 18:40:02 GMT -6
Hey. New to this board!! Looks good! I have a question for whomever wishes to participate in this thread.
If you have a choice of a 13 yr. old pitcher who throws maybe 55-56 mph, throws 30% or more balls, and doesn't have alot of movement on the ball but is an excellent athlete and has a good stick or a 13 yr. old pitcher who throws avg. 50 mph, has good location and great movement on the ball and is a good athlete with a good stick which would you choose for your team?
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Post by adad on Sept 3, 2009 18:54:04 GMT -6
control with movement all day long. the older the hitters get the more often you see straight fastballs leaving faster than they arrived.
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Post by bibbcog on Sept 4, 2009 21:55:28 GMT -6
Control with good solid movement will beat speed and no control every time, especially if you have a solid D!
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Post by skem22 on Sept 22, 2009 13:18:18 GMT -6
you can throw hard all day but eventually you will find a hitter thats smart enough to get the timing down. hitting is about timing and pitching is about throwing off that timing, ie offspeed, change, movement, etc.
you can teach speed and do drils to get faster or to work harder with legs/whole body into a pitch. it is a lot harder to teach control and movement.
another thing that alot of people don't think about is once you get into 16s and maybe 14s when you try out for a team and you didn't make it or what not it may have something to do with the core team thats already there and personality.
for example, i played in college and we had many recruits that were steller athletes but their personalities would have been dangerous on our team. after their visit our coach would ask what we thought and if we felt she just wouldn't fit in or she would cause trouble off the field and other things like that then we would pass on her. this means we may take someone who may be slightly less blessed with athletic talent but would gel with the team better. this is really important when dealing with a group of girls, especially once they get to that teenage/adolescent stage.
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Post by fastptch on Sept 22, 2009 14:19:34 GMT -6
I get a kick out of these young coaches bragging about the speed of their 10 year olds.. They need to read up about pitching....
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Post by ballhog125 on Sept 22, 2009 20:34:43 GMT -6
I agree with skem22. You can join or have someone join your team who is a great athlete. That player can play almost any position, but if they have the "I'm the best" attitude get away from them. All it does is bring the whole team down.
Back to the original question, MOVEMENT is best. I have also seen only one or two 10 year olds with speed and accuracy. They will either have the accuracy or speed, but not both.
I have heard the bragging on the 10 year olds. "My can pitch 55 or more" that is on a run with the side of a barn as a target.
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Post by fastpitch1998 on Sept 28, 2009 8:58:19 GMT -6
I get a kick out of these young coaches bragging about the speed of their 10 year olds.. They need to read up about pitching.... |
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Post by fastpitch1998 on Sept 28, 2009 9:02:26 GMT -6
I get a kick out of these young coaches bragging about the speed of their 10 year olds.. They need to read up about pitching.... Just wondering, at 10U are we supposed to be teaching curve balls breaking pitches etc to these girls. Isn't the fastball the only pitch they have. |
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Post by 3ps on Sept 28, 2009 9:41:33 GMT -6
At 10U should be working on a change up. Instead of working on breaking pitches the girls should be working on hitting corners. I have seen girls at this age throwing breaking pitches from the way they release their fastball and not meaning or knowing how to throw a curve.
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Post by fastptch on Sept 28, 2009 10:34:37 GMT -6
fastpitch 98 there is a good article under the coaches corner you can read from a pitching coach of many years of experience. Curve at 10U not recommended to be taught.
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Post by hrct on Sept 28, 2009 19:47:37 GMT -6
I think trying to throw alot of different pitches at this age is very tough to do. This is noy to say that there may be that speciial girl that can do it. A good fast ball moved around and a really good change up are hard to beat, I have seen girls trying to throw all these different pitches end up with alot of walks. Keep it simple and play a little D.
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Post by hrct on Sept 28, 2009 19:50:46 GMT -6
I think trying to throw alot of different pitches at this age is very tough to do. This is not to say that there may be that special girl that can do it. A good fastball moved around and a really good change up are hard to beat, I have seen girls trying to throw all these different pitches end up with alot of walks. Keep it simple and play a little D.
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Post by skem22 on Sept 28, 2009 21:25:12 GMT -6
its not just at 10 and unders, any age group you have to be able to hit spots and be precise with the fastball before anything and everything else can be effective. if your mechanics on fastball are wobbly and inconsistent then your junk pitches are going to be the same. its all about consistency and have near perfect basic mechanics!
not to mention WAY too many young girls having career ending injuries. in all sports there are too many young people getting serious injuries. if a child needs knee, shoulder, etc surgery at the ages of 14-18 then something is seriously wrong.
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Post by kraze14u on Sept 29, 2009 16:04:02 GMT -6
"If you have a choice of a 13 yr. old pitcher who throws maybe 55-56 mph, throws 30% or more balls, and doesn't have alot of movement on the ball but is an excellent athlete and has a good stick or a 13 yr. old pitcher who throws avg. 50 mph, has good location and great movement on the ball and is a good athlete with a good stick which would you choose for your team? "
Can I have two of each please? If your playing a team that is teeing off on your "stud" who throws hard then it's time to bring in the "junk baller" who can get you some ground balls and pop-ups. And you need a back-up for each.
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Post by playhard95 on Nov 30, 2009 16:30:00 GMT -6
controll and movement are great,but one very important fact that
these guys that are so big on controll over speed is if you are willing to work at it controll will come you can't teach speed and raw power.A power pitcher wins out over movement and controll 9out of 10 times.Give me speed any day.
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Post by dad22gr8kids on Nov 30, 2009 21:20:00 GMT -6
I get a kick out of these young coaches bragging about the speed of their 10 year olds.. They need to read up about pitching.... Just wondering, at 10U are we supposed to be teaching curve balls breaking pitches etc to these girls. Isn't the fastball the only pitch they have. My DD knows how to throw six pitches and is a 98 birthdate..but she has not mastered them. Her pitching coach introduced them over a two year period for her to get the feel on the smaller ball. Now that we are on the big ball she does lots of drills for those pitches, but doesn't throw many during lessons and none during games. I think this will help as she gets older. |
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Post by fastpitch1998 on Dec 3, 2009 12:38:55 GMT -6
Is the curve ball stressful on the elbow moreso than the screw ball. I would like our pitching coach to teach more pitches but I'm more concerned about my girls arm and her development at this early of an age. I always heard that underhand fastpitch was a more natural motion for the arm compared to boys baseball overhand pitching, and that girls could pitch more games and more innings without risk of injury. Now I have just read another article that says right the opposite. What do you guys think?
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Post by skem22 on Dec 11, 2009 22:55:00 GMT -6
I was a pitcher through college....I believe based on my own experiences that the screw ball was more stressful on the elbow and forearm.
The problem is that it is key that the girl is muscularly developed as well as mechanically sound before pitches can be taught. If you can't be a 100% accurate locating fastball/changeup then there is no point to learn another pitch. Just my .02!
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Post by eagles on Dec 12, 2009 14:04:04 GMT -6
Definately control and movement. Being able to hit spots is a big advantage, the older the hitters get the more they catch up with the fastball.
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Post by blazecoach on Apr 4, 2010 7:58:27 GMT -6
My 10 year old has been pitching for 4 years and has been working with a college coach for 2.When we were in 8u we learned to hit our spots and got where she could hit 5 out of 5 pitches where we wanted them.Since then she has learned curve,rise,drop,change up and good locations on her fast ball.She can throw these pitches consistent just like a fast ball.Her spin level is at the high school level(rps24) as a 4th grader.If you can teach the girls to throw different pitches that will help them later.When we move to the older age groups we will just have to adjust on the distance not learn how to throw the pitch and adjust to the distance., And yes the ball will move at 35 feet if the spin is there.Alot of kids don't stress or work hard enough on spin!!!!I would prefer a pitcher that has both speed and movement!!! Just wondering, at 10U are we supposed to be teaching curve balls breaking pitches etc to these girls. Isn't the fastball the only pitch they have. My DD knows how to throw six pitches and is a 98 birthdate..but she has not mastered them. Her pitching coach introduced them over a two year period for her to get the feel on the smaller ball. Now that we are on the big ball she does lots of drills for those pitches, but doesn't throw many during lessons and none during games. I think this will help as she gets older. |
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Post by 3ps on Apr 4, 2010 20:45:09 GMT -6
April fool's day was a couple of days ago. Get real  |
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Post by blazecoach on Apr 4, 2010 21:40:36 GMT -6
Better do a little research pal.Sounds like you are already behind the 8 ball.Fastball and location is done in 8u and the back yard.Especially when a player starts playing at the age of 6 and has 2 older sisters playing travel and is always at the field.Now who's the fool???
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Post by blazecoach on Apr 11, 2010 1:19:02 GMT -6
Thanks Dawgfan so people do work hard with there kids and can see it pay off.Alot of people think because there daughter has some speed and can get the ball over the plate that they are the best pitcher around.People its about hard work,hitting locations,then learning new pitches and WORKING HARD EVERY WEEK not when you feel like it.It doesn't happen over night!!!!
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Post by 3ps on Apr 18, 2010 18:48:32 GMT -6
Please let me know what team your DD is on. Would love to see her throwing a rise ball at 35ft. If so good for her. But to say a 10yr old can hit 5 for 5 on spots for all of the pitches is impressive. Cat or Jenny could use some advise from her coach because they can't do that. Good luck to you and your kids in TB.
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Post by blazecoach on Apr 18, 2010 19:23:07 GMT -6
Charlotte Blaze and any time you want to drive up to see her I'll be glad to send you hotel info.i was talking to her pitching coach tonight about how tight her spin is and he said people are crazy if they don't think the ball can move at 35ft.I just said I know also I didn't compare her to Jenny Finch you did!!!I WOULD LOVE TO PUT YOUR PAY CHECK AGAINST MINE IF SHE CAN'T THROW A RISE BALL FROM 35FT.
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